The Law’s cyber drug war. Is it time to hold peace talks with internet suppliers of..

"Perhaps talking with the suppliers and getting them to describe what they are selling accurately and in detail could protect us more than bans."
you don't say ? :D

 

Dr Jonathan Hurlow
Thursday 1 November 2012

Most people over 25 might be forgiven for not knowing what ‘Meow Meow’, Spice and Kratom are.

They’re three of hundreds of known ‘psychoactive substances’, or highs, available for consumption. Meow Meow is one brand of a synthetic stimulant drug formally known as mephedrone. Spice, a brand of synthetic cannabinoids. Kratom, a naturally growing hallucinogenic plant found in Southeast Asia, which no one seems to be worrying too much about in the tabloids.

What these three and many other drugs have in common is that your 15-year-old son or daughter could acquire them online with a few clicks on their iPhone. Within days a small package could be sent from China, pass through the UK Border Forces’ grasps and reach your child for their Friday night.

Whilst the Misuse of Drugs Act has curtailed use of both mephedrone and many synthetic cannabinoids, it appears that this motivates internet suppliers to research, develop and market any number of other uncontrolled alternative psychoactive substances instead.

Bearing in mind the hundreds-strong pool of substitutes, there’s ample wriggle room.

This challenge has not been ignored by regulatory government bodies.

More... http://www.independent.co.uk/voices...nternet-suppliers-of-legal-highs-8274077.html

 

Is it time to hold peace talks with internet suppliers

LOL, 'peace talks' implies that the drug 'war' is a two-sided ordeal. It is not. There's a market comprised of consumers/suppliers, and there's a government-waged war against this market. The usage of the term "peace talks" is laughable.

 

i love this shit... 'maybe it's about time' - 'Has the drug law gone on too long?' - 'Was there more murders during the American prohibition of alcohol?'

Yes, Yes, Yes!

But still these oh so different and change inducing liberating news reports mean fuck all and clearly these cunts don't care. Yes, psychedelics do change people and why the fuck has it taken you so long to catch up.

I also hate it when people are like ' oh, wow, people are seeing now! how great.'

Well, fuck those idiots. they should have seen ages ago

 

Kratom hallucinogenic? That's funny

 

Fuck the free world

 

as if most 15 yr olds can order shit online. I think they spend all their time on Facebook and other social media. or doing real drugs that they can buy from the local hood.

 

Kratom hallucinogenic? That's funny

laughed my ass off at this one too man!

as if most 15 yr olds can order shit online.;

yeah, when I was 15, the extent of drug use of my peers to my knowledge was pretty much kept to marijuana, prescription drugs, and alcohol. (I had never tried nor had any interest in any drug at 15 btw)

Few kids, if any, had got into tripping/rolling and I don't remember anyone at that age actually trying to learn about drugs on the internet. That's the same way most of us on here start using the internet in relation to drugs it seems.

 

im 43 and i wish i could order something online for friday night!
seriously i would be more concerned about what my kids get offered or get exposed to at school(thats where i had my first drink,smoke- both tobbaco &pot,prescription pills and learnt how to identify magic mushies)at parties,on the street or last of all the goverment approved drug pushers(yes pushers as opposed to dealers)the local bottle shop with all its advertising
and some of the porn kids can access on line is more likely to warp their minds than any drugs are!

 

^what gov-approved pushers?

DARE introduced me to drugs, and did so damn well (am not joking or anything, DARE brought me from almost full ignorance to fascination in a couple weeks. LOL.)

 

This wave of synthetic drugs including bath salts and mephedrone are very scary! What ever napped to good old illicit drugs? Stay away from this stuff like your life depends on it because it DOES!

 

DARE introduced me to drugs

word

 

as if most 15 yr olds can order shit online. I think they spend all their time on Facebook and other social media. or doing real drugs that they can buy from the local hood.

What's a "real drug"? (Not that I expect a sensible answer) Was LSD not a "real drug" before it was made illegal? How about before MDMA was made illegal, was that not a "real drug"?

This wave of synthetic drugs including bath salts and mephedrone are very scary! What ever napped to good old illicit drugs? Stay away from this stuff like your life depends on it because it DOES!

Again, why are "illicit" drugs best? Because your local posse thinks they're cool because it's naughty and against the rules, whereas drugs that fly under the radar of the law are not "cool" because scoring them doesn't involve skulking in shady alleys and using cliquey urban buzzwords and evading the police?

And by the way, many "synthetic drugs" are illegal, and many non-synthetic drugs are still legal. I agree, bath salts and other shady bullshit like that which is cobbled together out of combos of numerous RCs and marketed under a stupid name is a bad thing and should be avoided. But there are many psychoactive molecules which are still legal which are sold under their real chemical names and which are excellent compounds. And most of all, if you source from the right places, you are going to get purity levels far exceeding most of the drugs you will on the street (many vendors selling chems at >98% purity). You will never find cocaine at that purity unless you extract it yourself.

I sometimes think half the reason people use drugs is just as an act of defiance. I don't, and never have. I couldn't give a flying fuck how legal or not the molecule is. If it has the desired reaction for my body and mind, is pure and not cut, and is safe at sensible doses that's all that matters.

 

while i would personally be sad if kratom was taken off the market the problem with a lot of this stuff is how little is known about the possible adverse health effects, at least we have somewhat of an understanding as to how heroin and methamphetamine can affect the brain and body so if you care to know what your doing to your body it is possible to find an answer
* i am not condoning meth and heroin use with this post or saying they are a suitable alternative

 

The thought of using some of the knew trippy stims that are flooding the rc market at the moment I personally find terrifying. This shit could be anything, and probably more dangerous than your average line of crystal mdma. The government are still in ignorant on the whole subject, its ridiculous!! I would be sorry to see kratom leave town tho, its helped me outta the odd tight spot.

 

then don't use them

 

^what gov-approved pushers?

Doctors? Off licences? Tobacco outlets? Pubs, clubs, bars, alcoholic drink manufacturers, etc etc..

 

also it should go without saying but everything in moderation too much of anything is typically bad
another aspect of these substances is that many doctors are not familiar with these products at all... again lack of research and understanding
like i said before i like kratom (although i stopped using it for now because i am pregnant) however even with kratom which is naturally occurring instead of synthetic its not even close to being fully understood in how it causes the effects that it does

 

Doctors? Off licences? Tobacco outlets? Pubs, clubs, bars, alcoholic drink manufacturers, etc etc..

those things concern you *more* than RC's? Do you understand how much more regulation there is on such things??

 

Doctors? Off licences? Tobacco outlets? Pubs, clubs, bars, alcoholic drink manufacturers, etc etc..

ok seriously you are putting going to the bar and going to the doctor in the same category?
also.... is Jesus a "gov approved pusher" i mean he turned water into wine