rentmitchum
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Alright I was interested in knowing from people with a wider range of experience in chemistry if they have any info on this..
I've read on.. totse or something.. I forget where.. here it is:
http://www.totse.com/en/drugs/otc/dxmpolistirexs168881.html
It's basically a way to take the polystirexed DXM out of the Delsym.. so you'd just be left with.. granules of DXM poly with less syrup ingestion.
It's been my understanding Delysm has regular hydrobromide in it as well.. so you get a more immediate dose and then the polystirex likely degrades enough to release more near the end of the initial dxm.. so...
I was wondering if anyone knows if possibly adding something to make delsym more acidic could degrade the plastic like stomach acid does to make it more immediate. This was my idea, I don't see much talk about it searching.. From back in my Agent Lemon days, I seem to remember if you left the DXM Hydrocitrate sitting too long in the acidic solution, the DXM would slowly convert to DXO the longer it sat.. so..
If you made Delsym more acidic, or if you used the method on that totse link to get the DXM out (although I think with that method you'd lose the non-coated DXM if that's how delsym is.. that was just my understanding of delsym.. otherwise people using it therapeutically would have to wait awhile for any relief) then could that degrade the plastic coating enough to dose it all at once?
Also the main reason, if I remember right, for wanting to not use Delsym is because redosing on DXM inhibits it's own metabolism, doesn't it? Like the way I remember it (I haven't used DXM in awhile, excuse my forgetfulness) is that ideally, you want a mix of DXM and DXO. When you dose, the effects are from DXM and then the active metabolite DXO. When you redose, DXM use inhibits it's own metabolism, so a redose results in more of the DXM effects and it can't turn into DXO as readily, or it's the other way around.. I'm not certain, maybe the problem with redosing was it all turns into DXO and there's not enough DXM effects... I'm not sure but I think it was the first way.
So do you think acidifying a solution of polystirex would possible degrade the plastic enough to avoid the problems associated with Delsym use (the same problems as redosing on DXM) or do you think the acidification of the solution would turn the DXM into DXO.
What I don't remember is if DXM only turns into DXO when it's freebase. I remember it being talked about for the last stages of Agent Lemon (like if you wanted to store agent lemon for later) when it's freebase in naptha, and then you can evap and have freebase, or add citric acid (like country time or lemon juice) to get a solution with DXM Hydrocitrate. So the question is, will Hydrobromide start turning into DXO from making the solution more acidic in an effort to dissolve the polystirex.
I know this sounds like more effort than it's worth, but I ask for a friend who doesn't get online much who would like to know if Delsym could be a source of DXM for him.
Even if not the most practical, this could be considered useful info for someone out there.. and it'd be good info to have available for people in the future who wanna know.. I'm also curious if it's possible..
Thanks, I'd appreciate your input. Please excuse my limited knowledge of chemistry, and note I haven't actually done the agent lemon extraction or used DXM in quite awhile.. but I'm trying to find out this info for someone else.. so if my info sounds off then that's sorta why..
edit- also, if you know another way other than mine to make poly into an non coated form, lemme know.
I've read on.. totse or something.. I forget where.. here it is:
http://www.totse.com/en/drugs/otc/dxmpolistirexs168881.html
It's basically a way to take the polystirexed DXM out of the Delsym.. so you'd just be left with.. granules of DXM poly with less syrup ingestion.
It's been my understanding Delysm has regular hydrobromide in it as well.. so you get a more immediate dose and then the polystirex likely degrades enough to release more near the end of the initial dxm.. so...
I was wondering if anyone knows if possibly adding something to make delsym more acidic could degrade the plastic like stomach acid does to make it more immediate. This was my idea, I don't see much talk about it searching.. From back in my Agent Lemon days, I seem to remember if you left the DXM Hydrocitrate sitting too long in the acidic solution, the DXM would slowly convert to DXO the longer it sat.. so..
If you made Delsym more acidic, or if you used the method on that totse link to get the DXM out (although I think with that method you'd lose the non-coated DXM if that's how delsym is.. that was just my understanding of delsym.. otherwise people using it therapeutically would have to wait awhile for any relief) then could that degrade the plastic coating enough to dose it all at once?
Also the main reason, if I remember right, for wanting to not use Delsym is because redosing on DXM inhibits it's own metabolism, doesn't it? Like the way I remember it (I haven't used DXM in awhile, excuse my forgetfulness) is that ideally, you want a mix of DXM and DXO. When you dose, the effects are from DXM and then the active metabolite DXO. When you redose, DXM use inhibits it's own metabolism, so a redose results in more of the DXM effects and it can't turn into DXO as readily, or it's the other way around.. I'm not certain, maybe the problem with redosing was it all turns into DXO and there's not enough DXM effects... I'm not sure but I think it was the first way.
So do you think acidifying a solution of polystirex would possible degrade the plastic enough to avoid the problems associated with Delsym use (the same problems as redosing on DXM) or do you think the acidification of the solution would turn the DXM into DXO.
What I don't remember is if DXM only turns into DXO when it's freebase. I remember it being talked about for the last stages of Agent Lemon (like if you wanted to store agent lemon for later) when it's freebase in naptha, and then you can evap and have freebase, or add citric acid (like country time or lemon juice) to get a solution with DXM Hydrocitrate. So the question is, will Hydrobromide start turning into DXO from making the solution more acidic in an effort to dissolve the polystirex.
I know this sounds like more effort than it's worth, but I ask for a friend who doesn't get online much who would like to know if Delsym could be a source of DXM for him.
Even if not the most practical, this could be considered useful info for someone out there.. and it'd be good info to have available for people in the future who wanna know.. I'm also curious if it's possible..
Thanks, I'd appreciate your input. Please excuse my limited knowledge of chemistry, and note I haven't actually done the agent lemon extraction or used DXM in quite awhile.. but I'm trying to find out this info for someone else.. so if my info sounds off then that's sorta why..
edit- also, if you know another way other than mine to make poly into an non coated form, lemme know.
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