"Drugs are never going to lead to anything positive"

[StoneHappyMonday]

So says Spade.

I disagree. Therefore this thread is to be a celebration of drug use. It is for, as the Daily Mail might put it, "unashamed" drug users to spread positive news about how drugs and drug use has helped in their lives or the lives of others. If you have something whiney to say about drugs, say it elsewhere please.

Just one to start, from my own experience. 14 years ago I had a bit of turbulence in my life, as you do. Out of one relationship, into another. I could so easily have split up with my new g/f. In any other circumstances, that would have been a certainty.

Instead we had a "drug-fuelled binge" (the Mail) which lasted about a year, intensely. The drug of choice was mdma. 14 years later we are very much together. We would not be together if it were not for the mdma. It got us through a 'situation' that was not right for us, but proved that we were right for each other. I'd say that was positive.

1-0 to da drugz.

Your turn.

 

[Link_S]

'Bout 3 or 4 years ago, i took a pill.

I then had by a margin the best feeling of my life for the next 4 hours

I cant be sure, but i think the drug led to this feeling, else it was one heck of a coincidence

 

[Link_S]

2-0 to da drugz.

 

[The Kid]

I took a friend to see the cricket at Old Trafford last year, England v West Indies. He hates cricket. We took several grammes of coke, drank several litres of beer and by the end of it he was standing up, singing along and begging to come on our next cricket expedition.

I appreciate that this might not be a "touchy feely" pyschological type positive experience, but it's still 3-0 to the drugs!!

 

[Urbain]

I've mentioned this spiel before and hence i've just copied and pasted from a previous thread.

The nights i've had on E, surrounded by genuinely good natured and phillosophical people, and the most intense feelings of empathy, love, understanding, and kindness, have truly helped me as an individual, to listen to my inner soul, and to act on the things that have emotionally, mentally, and physically, been silently and slowly isolating me. It really has positvely affected all areas of my life. I've been in the sky, and danced with the stars, and realised that life doesnt have a plan for us. We continually write our own script and we have the power and the freedom to do what it what we please.

4-0 to the Eckies.

 

[eDDe9]

Drugs killed my community

4-1

 

[UnfortunateSquid]

Drugs killed my father!

And raped my mother!

4-3

 

[Valkyrie]

Ten years ago, almost to the day in fact, I was a frumpy mum and wife. Life was okay but it wasn't exciting. I was becoming more and more materialistic, taking the lead from my friends at the time that the more stuff you had the happier you would be. I suffered from pms and although we didn’t argue a lot, we’d bicker over petty things and I’d shout at the kids over nothing.

I couldn’t enjoy a drink like I used to cos I’d get a migraine and suffer for several days after. So instead of going out every weekend, we were only socialising once every few months. We’d have fun with the kids, but as a couple, things had become quite mundane.

Then one night, after a particularly boring barbecue with friends who thought the colour of their patio cushions was an interesting topic for conversation, someone gave us a pill and our lives changed forever. We stayed up all night for the first time ever and we danced for the first time in years. It totally restarted our relationship. We’d been together for 18 years at this point and we loved each other but now we were like a couple of teenagers properly in love again. I lost over a stone in weight within the first couple of months. I ditched all my frumpy clothes and kitted myself out in new sexy stuff. My pms disappeared and I don’t think I’ve shouted at the kids since. I realised that happiness comes from within and isn’t something you can buy.

It felt like something I had been looking for had suddenly appeared. A hole had been filled. My life was what I wanted it to be. We started going out again. We went to clubs and festivals. We had fun, lots of fun. We met new people, people who didn’t care how big your car was. Instead they wanted to have a laugh, something we‘d been missing. Our relationship thrived and I became a nicer person which, in turn, rubbed off on the kids. We now have two very nice natured, well balanced teenagers. There’s hardly ever a cross word in our house, it’s a nice place to be.

Goodness knows where we’d be if the drugs hadn’t come along and to be honest I don’t want to know cos it certainly wouldn’t be as good as what we’ve got now.

 

[eDDe9]

Nice

 

[The Kid]

^^ Quality!!

It's a good job it was a decent pill though!

 

[1024]

I was chatting to someone years ago, with the mindset that drug experiences are chemical and therefore fake. That might be true but I can take these "fake" experiences and they will become part of my life.

I think E made me stronger and perhaps like myself more. If I was having a bad time at a party I'd take myself away and do some self psycho analysis, and realize my problems from a different (higher) perspective.

Only problem was I started caining it, wouldn't even come up I'd just feel sketchy in the chill out area, everything in moderation like (+1 - +1)

 

[Treacle]

This one isn't particularly deep, or meaningful, as a few people have already mentioned meeting, and making great mates, during drug fuelled sessions, which is where I was going to go. So, I'll say, I can reach a massive high, without even having to move from my chair, with little more than some music playing. To me, that is amazing.
+1

 

[Shambles]

I also noted Spade's "nothing on drugs is real" opinion (sorry Spadey, but I really do think you're wrong on this one - very wrong) and it irritated me too much to come up with a reasoned reply at the time. Everything on drugs is real - just as real, or unreal, as every other experience we ever have.

Goodness knows where we’d be if the drugs hadn’t come along and to be honest I don’t want to know cos it certainly wouldn’t be as good as what we’ve got now.

I'd quote the whole thing again if it weren't just up the page there - if there was ever an advert for why drugs can be wonderful things, it's right there in your tale .

For myself, I genuinely believe I would not be alive today if it weren't for my delving into the chemical world. I was an absolute fucking mess of manic depression, anxiety, self-harm and suicidal recklessness. Then I discovered drugs - pretty much all of the "biggies" within a very short timescale, but most notably acid and ecstasy. My outlook was forever changed and I became a far more decent and less messed-up human being very quickly.

Even the long years of heroin/crack addiction was a positive experience for me. It taught me more than just about anything ever could about life, myself and the other people that populate it. Heroin saved me from myself when I needed a crutch and there was nowhere and no-one else to turn to. It was my best friend through which I met some truly beautiful people - yeah, even junkies and crackheads can be beautiful people. Yes, it has a sting in the tail, but for me it was all worth it. I'll say it again - without drugs I would not be alive and even if I were I would probably still just be a fucked-up, misanthropic bellend with chips piled high on both shoulders. Thankfully, I no longer need that heroin crutch. But I'm glad the option is still open should it ever be needed again.

Drugs have shown me the innate beauty in each and every person, in every moment, in everything. I wouldn't change any of it.

 

[The Kid]

^ Entheogenius, whilst you've obviously come through some pretty testing times with a positive outlook, that's not true for everyone. Whilst not wishing to pitch in with Spade's view (which I don't particularly agree with), I feel that for every life that's benefited from drugs, I think there are probably more than one life that's been destroyed by drugs. I know too many people who drugs have just left them with one negative experience after another, with some going on and on until they reached the one negative experience that can't be beaten.

 

[felix]

^ that's not what this thread is about, though...

back in my predruggie days, i.e. before 2004, i was a completely different person. you may think i'm a sarcastic prick now, but you should have known me back then.

after my use of mdma and lsd, i am a much softer, gentler, friendlier and more outgoing person. i am not afraid of interacting with strangers any more.

these drug experiences have stuck with me and, i believe, have made me a better person. they have turned me into the genial, positive, and friendly person you've all come to know and love. (or hate )

 

[The Kid]

^ Yes, you're right and my post is probably more at home on Spadey's thread, but the 2 seem to have some similar traits.

I have no idea whether I am any better or worse than pre-drug days as I can't remember that far back! 1988 is a long, long time ago and I was only 14! I remember being a real wanker to my parents when I was a teenager, but then aren't most teenagers? I wouldn't say I was any worse/better than my friends who weren't boshing trips and speed and smoking soapbar.

My experience of MDMA (and all it's variants) in the early 90's was positive in that being part of the "rave" scene as it was developing felt very special. However I'm not convinced that MDMA is a safe drug to use and that i've not got some health issues to deal with in the future from necking all those Doves and Dennis the Menaces! So maybe my thoughts on pills and MDMA will change in the future.

And as for my current romance with gods dandruff (well it's more like a common law marriage now!) i think the jury is still out. There's a lot of behaviour undertaken whilst being coked up that i don't think i'm particulalry proud of, but then I love some of the big sessions i have with my coke crew and have had some of the best night's of my life on coke.

(And if the Guernsey plod is listening, this all takes place outside of our wonderful island )

 

[Shambles]

Kid - I see where you're coming from and was very much in two minds about posting that as I know, better than most I suspect, of the harm that drugs - especially the kind of drugs and combinations that I was using - can do to both the individual and those around them. I am certainly not advocating the use of heroin or anything else to "solve" problems, but, as felix pointed out, that ain't what this thread is about .

I could fill the whole of EADD with horror stories about some of the things I witnessed and went through in those times and I'm fairly sure I've pointed out the pitfalls on numerous occasions. But this is about the positive side of drug use and, contentious as it may be, heroin benefitted me hugely when it was necessary. And it truly was necessary, I can assure you. I realise that I am probably in a very lucky minority though, and am acutely aware of the fact that the main reason I have no old friends to reminisce about the good old days with is because I had to leave them behind - either still slaves to the syringe, in prison, or dead . Trust me, I know the negative side of drug (ab)use too.

For "real", and more acceptable, goodness I'll have to go along with the very true cliche of LSD (and other psyches) and MDMA being amongst the most positive experiences I have ever had. I never intend to stop having those experiences but if I ever do then I shall be forever grateful that I discovered them before it was too late .

 

[Urbain]

Ten years ago, almost to the day in fact, I was a frumpy mum and wife. Life was okay but it wasn't exciting. I was becoming more and more materialistic, taking the lead from my friends at the time that the more stuff you had the happier you would be. I suffered from pms and although we didn’t argue a lot, we’d bicker over petty things and I’d shout at the kids over nothing.

I couldn’t enjoy a drink like I used to cos I’d get a migraine and suffer for several days after. So instead of going out every weekend, we were only socialising once every few months. We’d have fun with the kids, but as a couple, things had become quite mundane.

Then one night, after a particularly boring barbecue with friends who thought the colour of their patio cushions was an interesting topic for conversation, someone gave us a pill and our lives changed forever. We stayed up all night for the first time ever and we danced for the first time in years. It totally restarted our relationship. We’d been together for 18 years at this point and we loved each other but now we were like a couple of teenagers properly in love again. I lost over a stone in weight within the first couple of months. I ditched all my frumpy clothes and kitted myself out in new sexy stuff. My pms disappeared and I don’t think I’ve shouted at the kids since. I realised that happiness comes from within and isn’t something you can buy.

It felt like something I had been looking for had suddenly appeared. A hole had been filled. My life was what I wanted it to be. We started going out again. We went to clubs and festivals. We had fun, lots of fun. We met new people, people who didn’t care how big your car was. Instead they wanted to have a laugh, something we‘d been missing. Our relationship thrived and I became a nicer person which, in turn, rubbed off on the kids. We now have two very nice natured, well balanced teenagers. There’s hardly ever a cross word in our house, it’s a nice place to be.

Goodness knows where we’d be if the drugs hadn’t come along and to be honest I don’t want to know cos it certainly wouldn’t be as good as what we’ve got now.

Fantastic read.

 

[Bella Figura]

I hate to quote George Michael, but cannabis keeps me sane and happy.

I'd be such an angry prick if i never found drugs.

 

[fastandbulbous]

Drugs are never going to lead to anything positive

A Nobel prize not positive enough eh? By you have harsh standards

If you're wondering what I'm on about, look up Kary Mullis, the deverlopment of PCR (& the whole genetics based industry) and the fact that he directly cites LSD as being the key to his moment of inspiration that lead to PCR


The defence rests!