Discussion Should Harm Reduction supplies be funded by tax dollars?

[Mr. Krinkle]

You're still throwing names around but not actually responding.

From all I could tell you seemed to be saying I had 'no idea' of truly degenerate living situations or the associated criminality. I got the impression you were telling me I had no right to comment because you assumed the stuff you showcased would be automatically outside of my scope.

No I was talking about what's going on where I live

Pay attention

 

[TheUltimateFixx]

No I was talking about what's going on where I live

Pay attention

I AM paying attention and what I picked up was, 'you can't possibly know how bad it gets because you don't live in Portland'

 

[Mr. Krinkle]

I AM paying attention and what I picked up was, 'you can't possibly know how bad it gets because you don't live in Portland'

yea you don't know how bad it is here

you just know about your own situation

 

[Mr. Krinkle]

keeping my scant belongings on me in a rucksack at all times because I knew they'd be gone as soon as I turned my back otherwise.

i would like to point this out tho - the other guys were acting like what i said about addicts being thieves was so wrong

 

[Electrum1]

It's only feeding the problem

If you really wanted to help the addicted users, you would work to eliminate the dealers on the street... Keep moving up that chain

Right, use the successful Philippines model and use the tax dollars to execute drug dealers instead of giving free stuff to drug addicts on the street. After a dozen or so are executed in a city/state, suddenly for no reason at all people will decide to not be drug dealers

If the government really wanted to clean up the streets they'd make it not worth breaking certain laws, but they won't because that's not what they want

 

[Mr. Krinkle]

From Portugal to Portland

Oregon decriminalized all drugs, and overdoses have surged.

www.nytimes.com

that's a good article too ^


you can read about Portugal's failure in decriminalization too

 

[Pissed_and_messed]

Right, use the successful Philippines model and use the tax dollars to execute drug dealers instead of giving free stuff to drug addicts on the street. After a dozen or so are executed in a city/state, suddenly for no reason at all people will decide to not be drug dealers

sources?

 

[Electrum1]

For what? Philippines drug laws/enforcement?

If you want law and order then you gotta pass strict laws with harsh punishments and strictly enforce those laws and punishments. It's not rocket surgery

 

[Pissed_and_messed]

yes, for philippines situation.

 

[Pissed_and_messed]

From Portugal to Portland

Oregon decriminalized all drugs, and overdoses have surged.

www.nytimes.com

that's a good article too ^


you can read about Portugal's failure in decriminalization too

it requires account Imma not gonna do that

 

[Mr. Krinkle]

it requires account Imma not gonna do that

not for me and i dont have an account either....

Portugal, a Model for Oregon’s Measure 110, Is Having Second Thoughts About Drug Decriminalization

www.wweek.com

that should be no problem for you to read ^

about Portugal

 

[Mr. Krinkle]

it is a cold hard fact, that when you have drug use such as meth, opiates, and crack, that the first thing go up in rates of crime, is the rate of theft - it skyrockets


so don't sit here and act like im saying something wrong when i call them thieves

 

[Pissed_and_messed]

thanks, that worked
But I think it is a stretch calling that "failure in decriminalization"

 

[Electrum1]

yes, for philippines situation.

Over 7,000 people killed in six months in Philippines 'war on drugs'

President Duterte ordered police and citizens to kill anyone they believe to be connected to the drugs trade. Thousands have died since he gave these orders.

www.amnesty.org.uk

Philippines' Duterte says will never apologise for drug war deaths

Philippines President Rodrigo Duterte said on Tuesday he will never apologise for the deaths of suspected drug users and dealers killed in police operations under his war on drugs that has alarmed rights groups.

www.reuters.com

Duterte Wants To 'Kill 3 Or 5 Drug Lords' Before Stepping Down

Over 6,000 people have been killed since July 2016 in the Filipino president's war on drugs

www.newsweek.com

 

[Pissed_and_messed]

ok, but none of those sources do in any way imply nothing has been accomplished.

 

[Pissed_and_messed]

if we assume they are really killing dealers and not any random guy or political opponent, how come they keep killing years after Duterte had risen to power? By the aforementioned logic, it should have been over ages ago.

 

[Mr. Krinkle]

you're not helping anybody out by giving them a new meth pipe



that's not harm reduction


you can tell me it is until you're blue in the face


but giving somebody a pipe so they can smoke meth just isn't harm reduction no matter how you slice it

im sorry - it just isn't

 

[Mr. Krinkle]

it makes me believe that there's some ulterior motive - and im not one to think too much into that


but cmon - how can you let whats going on, just continue to happen and get worse while claiming that you're managing the problem somehow - and it just keeps getting worse....

obviously you're not doing something right if you're having record overdose deaths....right? or is that just me thinking that...


when you hand out pipes, you're condoning it - the dealers know where the money is


i mean what in the fuck are we getting into here?


im sorry but a responsible government does not hand out meth pipes - ever

 

[Electrum1]

it makes me believe that there's some ulterior motive - and im not one to think too much into that


but cmon - how can you let whats going on, just continue to happen and get worse while claiming that you're managing the problem somehow - and it just keeps getting worse....

obviously you're not doing something right if you're having record overdose deaths....right? or is that just me thinking that...


when you hand out pipes, you're condoning it - the dealers know where the money is


i mean what in the fuck are we getting into here?


im sorry but a responsible government does not hand out meth pipes - ever

Anarcho-Tyranny

 

[Mr. Krinkle]

Anarcho-Tyranny is a form of Dystopia where a state permits or encourages Anarchy Is Chaos in limited form, either out of laziness or some more malevolent motive, while decent people are suppressed.

The term was coined by American paleoconservative writer Samuel T. Francis to describe what he perceived to be a problem in the Western world, arguing that governments were deliberately failing to enforce the law against violent gangs while targeting those who complain about the criminals; in other words, that the state was criminally negligent on a national scale. Of course, Fiction and even Real Life provide much more extreme examples.

Anarcho-Tyranny is not a "true" form of Anarchy, because the state or some form of leadership still exists and functions to some degree, and criminals and warlords might establish their own personal fiefdoms within it. Instead, it is more when the leadership allows or even enforces a state of lawlessness and other social ills in order to achieve some end.

In some instances, this is a temporary state of affairs, with an evil leader planning to use the chaos as an excuse to establish a more draconian system later on. Other times, though, the chaos is an end-in-itself, keeping the realm divided so that the leader can remain in power, or sometimes the leader actually likes the chaos.